Hi,

Just went out and did the trails in question after a drizzly day here in Bergen. The leaves from last fall are still on the ground, and spring has barely sprung. I hiked up way 1148178587 (currently tagged as demanding alpine hiking), and ran down lower part of 1091940537 (currently tagged as demanding mountain hiking) and way 1194667660 (currently tagged as alpine hiking) so that they were fresh in my mind.

I appreciate the effort you've made to educate yourself on sac_scales, as classifying trails is prone to subjectivity. I acknowledge your experience on the side of Sandviksfjellet, and that your perception of the trails is a valid as anyone else's. It seems like you were in quite a bit of trouble as you spent hours navigating down these trails instead of retreating upwards which I can imagine must've been subpar to say the least.

You state that the trails are "completely invisible", which I found surprising. Did you perhaps accidentally go off route completely? I actually filmed parts of the descents and ascent on the trails in questions because, at least to me, they're clearly visible. I'll admit that sections on rocks can be tricky to see, but I'd argue that it's clear to see where the moss on the rocks has been worn down by people and that you can see the trail pick up on the other side of the rock field. I've also done the trails in the snow, and sometimes find them even more visible then.

At no point does the trails require "full-body-strength crab-scrambling", so I again question if perhaps you were off trail. I don't believe the paths in question fit the description for such a classification. Both alpine and demanding alpine hiking is described in the wiki as being exposed, and that the use of hands and easy climbing is needed. I did the trails without the use of hands what so ever, and believe that T3 demanding mountain hiking where "use of hands for balance" is a more fitting description. T3 can also have portions of the trail exposed with the danger of falling, and it is in my opinion a big difference in danger of falling and exposed terrain. We're also very from needing knowledge of elementary rope, crampons and ice axe techinques. I don't agree that the pictures in the wiki is comparable, as they show a significant exposure and the need for light scrambling. It does however sound like you did experience this on your way down (which admittedly is harder than going uphill), so I understand that you because of this would advocate for a T4 or T5 classification. I would however consider max T3 for these trails. I would like if the Norwegian SOM community weighted in on this matter.