Hi, just to let you know I've dropped the access=permissive you set on these 2 gates. What was set before was 'correct' but confusing: access=no was set to stop all modes of transport with foot=designated set to override that for foot.  But access=permissive says that all modes of transport can use the gate unless the landowner wants to close it, which is wrong on both parts for a public footpath.  In the end, the gates can only be accessed via the appropriately tagged public footpath so it's not doing anything, I've left it as foot=designated alone.