Thanks, I forgot to mention that I did recently look at grading of paths in the Lakes (after the Barf incident around Christmas) and wrote a couple of entries about them:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SK53/diary/400702
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SK53/diary/400712
http://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2023/01/a-little-surprise-hidden-in-os.html

The key difference between T4 & T5 is that the latter involves some (easy) 3-point climbing technique at some point. So Broad Stand is probably a good candidate for T5 if it were mapped.

Elsewhere in Britain experienced hiking guides have done some good work on checking the harder routes: such as on An Teallach. There were some good threads on mastodon (linked in my posts). So I think we are collectively working towards consistent usage of these scales in the UK. A bit harder to know if these are consistent with usage elsewhere.

One point is that the T4- and T4+ values could be used if there is a need to separate alternatives which are of different character. At present the Foxes Tarn ascent of Scafell is graded T3 so this is not needed.

I'm also very pleased about the action concerning the short-cut path marked bypassing the col at Broad Pike (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1086252957#map=17/54.45589/-3.21152&layers=D).

Jerry aka SK53


